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Northampton Saints call for debate of ground expansion

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Published Date: 26 November 2009
Northampton Saints are launching a campaign to get people behind a bid for a new supermarket which would finance a new stand at Franklin's Gardens, after talks with Northampton Borough Council over the retail aspect of the scheme reached deadlock.
With new stipulations on the minimum capacity for rugby grounds in elite competition, the club want to expand Franklin's Gardens and need the money from the potential sale of the car park in Edgar Mobbs Way to Asda.
But after talks on Tuesday night with council chiefs, Saints chairman Keith Barwell said he was satisfied that they don't want a large retail development in the borough to be based outside the town centre, effectively blocking any deal.
Mr Barwell said: "We had a heavy beating from the council on this and they said they don't want anything that takes trade away from the town centre.
"They say they speak with one voice on this and they will not be deterred from their aim under any circumstances.
"But the problem is they can't stop this trend. What are they going to try to do next? Stop internet shopping because that detracts from the town centre?
"And is it realistic that in 2026, or probably longer, the new Grosvenor Centre, built by Legal and General, is going to suddenly emerge like a beautiful butterfly? In the meantime we would be having two lost decades.
"That's why I want to start a debate about what the people of Northampton want.
"Is this town being run by the council or Legal and General?"
The club believes it will be supported by the majority of its fans, local business, who may benefit from increased support, and its corporate sponsors.
It also argues that the ability to play big European games at Franklin's Gardens would see the town share in reflected prestige.
Although Northampton Borough Council could not say yes or no to the plan their backing carries significant weight with planning authority the West Northamptonshire Development Corporation.
Mr Barwell pointed to what he says are discrepancies in the borough council's unofficial policy of town centre-only retail development with regard to an undetermined application for an Aldi store in Wellingborough Road, Northampton, which the local authority's officers have backed
He said: "Why is it recommending this new store which is even nearer to the town than our car park? I presume that would also detract from the town centre.
"I wonder if anyone can see the difference between this Asda store and Aldi.
"There's a saying that if there's no wind, row. It would be nice if the council put a bit of wind behind us instead of providing an obstacle.
"We are now going to take a very a highly aggressive profile.
"The council asked me not to but I'm going to take a lesson from my print union days.
"Their method of negotiation was to come in, kick you between the legs as hard as possible then sit down to talk. I regret having to take that line but we have asked nicely."
A Northampton Borough Council spokeswoman said that councillors on its planning committee had since expressed "serious concerns" about the planned Aldi store and insisted the local authority wanted to help the rugby club.
She said: "Northampton Saints are a great asset to the town and the borough council is fully supportive of the club's aspirations to make Franklin's Gardens an even more impressive ground.
"We know and appreciate that an increase in the size of the ground would enable the Saints to remain one of the best supported rugby teams in the country.
"We have met with the Saints to discuss their aspirations and how Northampton Borough Council could work to assist them. We intend to continue these discussions on a positive basis and hope to meet the Saints again before Christmas.
"Any planning applications will be considered on their merits and key consideration will be the impact of development on the town centre. The borough council believes the future of Northampton requires a strong and high performing town centre."

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  • Last Updated: 26 November 2009 2:12 PM
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stevieg8,

26/11/2009 14:34:24
NO MEANS NO BARWELL!!! WHY SHOULD THE SAINTS GET SPECIAL TREATMENT AHEAD OF OTHHER CLUBS / ORGANISATIONS!

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AndySaint2008,

26/11/2009 14:35:08
The council are a joke and is anyone surprised they are blocking this. For years they have ruined the cobblers chances of doing anything at sixfields and now they are going to do the same to the saints. The council do not provide any support to sport in the county. They are masking this latest knock back to one of our sporting clubs as a bid to protect the town centre - yet it is they who have failed to listen as many small businesses as they have left the town centre due to increasing car parking prices and poorly planned road works which have driven their shoppers away. Please go and learn from other councils such as dare i say it MK which actively supports its sports clubs and its businesses.
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St Lytham,

The Beach 26/11/2009 14:35:28
NBC has a draft vision for the town centre as part of the Draft Emergent Core Strategy (DECS). Part of that is the stated preference to grant no permission to retail outside of the town centre which is understandable. NBC have done well to get,at last, a Development Agreement signed off with Legal & General but the detail is scare. However the DECS is just that, a Draft, and it has not yet been passed or agreed by all parties including Government. If NBC are sticking to the Town Centre element of the DECS then does it mean it is sticking to the Growth Agenda for Houses and Jobs with equal determination? If so so be it. Why should the NBC prevent any of our sports clubs from expansion,its for the peoples benefit? If the growth agenda goes ahead then there will be sufficient numbers/population all round to support the Sports clubs and the town centre retailers. If L&G are committed to start development within two years then the approach of NBC is understandable but if the start date is timeless then let the Saints & Cobblers go ahead.
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St Lytham,

The Beach 26/11/2009 14:42:23
Difficult as it may be NOW is the time for all supporters--Saints & Cobblers and anyone else for that matter to have a united front to get what they want in terms of facilities.Being divided would suit the politicians. It is in the interests of all followers of sport to have the best facilities available in their town irrespective of code. "Unitied you stand :Divided you fall"
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Different Point of View,

Northampton 26/11/2009 14:51:37
"That's why I want to start a debate about what the people of Northampton want"

Can't recall him ever asking the people of Northampton what they wanted when he was head of the WNDC. Seems then he wanted to steam roller new development, needles and the like on the town wiothout consultation.
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John Myhill,

Duston 26/11/2009 14:54:32
This is the same kind of brilliant thinking that stopped Ikea opening up in the county and sent them off to Milton Keynes, which is where I and vast numbers of other Northampton residents go to do a lot of our shopping now. Let's not have "out of town" shops in Northampton, lets drive all our shoppers out of the county and put their money in some other council's coffers. Madness.
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Hrolf.,

26/11/2009 15:02:31
Let's start a debate.
Why doesn't Barwell put the money he gained when he profited from the sale of land which the WNDC (which he headed) gave planning permission on it? No need for the Asda money then. Are the Saints run by their management or Asda?

Like it or not Barwell, the council is elected. You aren't and speak for nobody but your wallet.
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mojo,

northampton 26/11/2009 15:18:19
I wondered why Mr Barwell left his position on the WNDC. Running with the fox and Hunting with the hounds is a difficult act to pull off. Good luck with your attempt to change the councils mind and then get the blessing of WNDC uncle Keith.I believe that the cobblers have some buckets maybe you could have a collection and the supporters could pay for a new stand.
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tilbrook,

duston 26/11/2009 15:57:29
have the council ever thought of asking the public what they would like ,having another supermarket wont take business away from town centre ,neither would have ikea .like many other people i now do my main shopping in mk and also visit the ikea and large asda they have there.planners have made it hard enough for people of duston to get into town with all the road "improvements"so dont bother any more.
go on council let the public decide the proposed site is not in residential area so whats the problem?
i dont usually agree with barwell but on this one i do.
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Exiled Geordie,

Northampton 26/11/2009 15:57:58
Town centres of the type that we have in Northampton, have had their day. Turn the town centre over to more residential use, with local shops and facilities for town centre living. It is out of town, local centres that suit us now. Who really wants to go into Northampton town centre to shop now ? Let our town centres generate income from leisure activities like the saints and cobblers ! Get real council !
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